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George Thorne

     
Birth Details

Parish record...

           County: Somerset  
            Place: Walcot
           Church: St.Swithin's
     Baptism Date: 20 May 1832
         Forename: George
  Father Forename: Thomas
  Mother Forename: Hannah
   Father Surname: THORNE
            Abode: No. James Street
Father Occupation: Painter
      File Number: 15810

    
Marriage - certificate

     Name: George Thorne, aged 29, Porter
   Father: Thomas Thorne, Painter.

     Name: Sarah Ann Parker, aged 21.
   Father: James Parker, Labourer.
   
     Date: 10th Jan 1864 
    Place: St Leonard's Shoreditch.
  Address: For both... 7 New Inn Street.
Witnesses: James ___ & Eliza Louisa Brooks.


NOTE: 1861 census there are some parkers living at 1 New Inn St, 
      so seems likely that the wedding certificate is not a 7 
      but a 1 for address. Connection not proven.


Marriage - BMD Index

Marriages March 1864 - Thorne George     Shoreditch  1c  414
                       Parker Sarah Ann  Shoreditch  1c  414 

     
Death - certificate

George Thorne, 1872 

Saint Olave Southwark, county of Surrey

          Date: Died 25th February 1872,  Guys Hospital. 
    Occupation: Railway ticket collector.
Cause of death: Poplitical aneurism, Ligature of Femoral etc. PM certified.
     Informant: Ez. Clinch, present at the death. Guys Hospital Southwark.
    Registered: 1st March 1872.


NOTE:  A popliteal aneurysm is a swelling of the popliteal artery. 
       The popliteal artery extends across the lower third of the thigh and 
       the upper third of the calf. It is situated quite deeply in the leg 
       behind the knee. Surgical treatments aim to exclude the aneurysm 
       from the circulation by tying off (ligating) the artery above and 
       below the aneurysm.  www.vascular.co.nz - Popliteal Aneurysms.


Burial record

Camberwell Old Cemetery
George Frank Thorne - 3rd March 1872
Grave Ref: 37/3446


NOTE: A not so detailed map is available. Contact me for details. I tried to 
find the grave in 2016 but that side of the cemetery is too overgrown. Very 
tall nettles. No way in to see the graves around that area.

    
Crimean Roll

                 Name: Private George Thorne
  Campaign or Service: Crimean War
         Service Date: 1854-1855
     Service Location: Crimea
Regiment or Unit Name: 13th Light Infantry
    Regimental Number: 2761


NOTE: Information obtained from a look-up by a rootschat forum member.

    
Nominal Roll for the Indian Mutiny Medal - 1858

Thorne  George  1/13 F  Corporal


NOTE: This information was found at www.britishmedals.us/files/imtz.htm. 

    
Worldwide Army Index - 1861

           First Name: George
            Last Name: Thorne
               Number: 2761
                 Rank: Sergeant
                 Unit: 1st Btn 13th Foot (1st Somerset-Prince Albert)
Regiment Stationed at: Gondah East Indies

NOTE: National Archive Ref: Wo12/3081. 

    
Depot Casualty Roll

Depot Casualty Rolls for the 1st Battalion of the 13th Foot (Somerset) taken 
from the WO25 series at the National Archives. Data is sorted into Surname, 
1st Name, Number, Rank and Detail of entry.

Thorne  George  2761  Sgt  To England  17/8/1861 


NOTE: This information was found here at www.britishmedals.us/files/depot13b1.htm. 

     
George's Children - extra info


George Walter Thorne

IGI...
       Name: George Walter Thorne 
      Birth: 19 OCT 1864   	
Christening: 14 NOV 1864 in St Matthew, Bethnal Green
     Father: George Thorne, 
     Mother: Sarah Ann


BMD Index...

Births Dec 1864 - Thorne  George Walter  Bethnal Gn  1c  283

Deaths Dec 1865 - Thorne  George Walter  Camberwell  1d  359


NOTE: In 1866 a new parish of Shoreditch, Holy Trinity was 
      formed from part of St Leonard's and part of 
      neighbouring Bethnal Green.


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Alice Maud Thorne

IGI...
      Name: Alice Maude Thorne
      Born: 01 JUN 1866
Christened: 26 AUG 1866 in St Leonard's Shoreditch, London England
    Father: George Thorne
    Mother: Sarah Ann


BMD Index...

   Births Sep 1866 - Thorne  Alice M     Camberwell  1d  513
    
Marriages Dec 1899 - Thorne  Alice Maud  St.Saviour  1d  401
                     Gorick  James       St.Saviour  1d  401 
                        
   Deaths Dec 1925 - Gorick  Alice M  58 Southwark   1d  47


Gorick Children...

   Births Jun 1889 - Gorick  Edith Maud M   Lambeth    1d  335
   Births Mar 1892 - Gorick  Sydney Henry   St.Saviour 1d  58
   Births Dec 1908 - Gorick  Constance Ena  Southwark  1d  73
  
 
NOTE: Looks as if Alice is James's second wife and that he has 
      children from previous marriage.


1891 Census...

Address: 50 New Cut, Lambeth, St Mary

  James Gorick Head m 46 tobacconist Born Bethnal Green
  Alice Gorick Wife m 24             Born Camberwell
William Gorick Son  s 16             Born Bethnal Green
  Edith Gorick Dau  s 2              Born Lambeth
     
   
1901 Census...

GORICK, Edith 	Boarder  F  11   1890   51 Lambeth Walk London
GORICK, Sidney 	Boarder  M   9   1892   Queen Victoria Buildings London

Address: Docking Road, Barmer, Norfolk

NOTE: They are living with the Edge family. Alice Gorick's mother, 
      Sarah Ann Parker's family came from the same area in Norfolk.


1901 Census...

Gorick, James  57 1844 Southwark, Cigar Maker
Gorick, Alice  34 1867 Southwark, d/o

Address: 75 Pocock Rd, Southwark London.


1911 Census...

    James Gorick  Head 	Married        55  1856  Cigar Maker  London Bethnal Green
    Alice Gorick  Wife 	Married 22yrs  43  1868               London Camberwell
    Edith Gorick  Daug	Spinster       21  1890  Velum Sewer  London Southwark
Constance Gorick  Daug                 2   1909               London Southwark

Address: 33 Great Suffolk Street Southwark S E. St George the Martyr West
         
NOTE: 3 children born. 3 still living. James is unemployed.


Son Sidney 1911, boarder in Norfolk (Barmer Kings Lynn) with the Edge Family...

Sidney Henry Gorick Boarder Single 19 1892 Horseman On Farm  Gt.Suffolk St, London



About James & Alice Gorick's children...

Edith Maud Gorick - Married Harold James Silvester in 1915. They had three 
children that I know of. Their youngest boy Stanley died during WWI. Edith
died in 1958, aged 69. 1926-1939 electoral register show her living at 44
Elliotts Row, Southwark.

            Name: Silvester, Stanley Richard
            Rank: Gunner
      Service No: 990175
   Date of Death: 22/10/1943
             Age: 23
Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery 113 Field Regt. 
 Grave Reference: VII, D, 14.
        Cemetery: Minturno War Cemetery Italy
 Additional Info: Son of Harold James Silvester and Edith Maud Silvester, 
                  of Southwark, London.


Sidney Henry Gorick - Remained in Norfolk with the Edge family & married 
a Kate Hurn in 1920. They had six children, that I know of. Sydney 
passed away in March 1950 at Kings Lynn, Norfolk.


British Army WWI Service Records 1914-1920

                Name: Sydney Henry Gorick
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
   Age at Enlistment: 24
           Residence: Barmer, kings Lynn, Norfolk
       Document Year: 1916
   Regimental Number: 6572
       Regiment Name: R Fusiliers Labour Corps
     Discharged aged: 27 
         Next of kin: George Edge (father)
      Colour of eyes: Pale blue.


British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards 1914-1920

             Name: Sydney H Gorick
Regiment or Corps: Norfolk Regiment
Regimental Number: 8629
            Medal: British


Constance Gorick - The youngest of the silbings, by a big gap, moved to 
the USA, aged 18, just one year after her mother passed away. She married 
an American, Elbert Franklin Ryder, in 1928 and had at least four children.
Constance and Frank divorced 1977.  Constance passed away in 1988.


Passenger list - SS Berengaria

               Name: Constance Gorick, Machinist, Aged 18
  Relatives address: Mrs.E.Silvester(sister),44 Elliotts Row Southwark SE11
       Passage paid: Aunt. 2nd class. no.15168
        Destination: New York 
           Departed: Dec 7th 1926 Southampton
   Joining relative: Aunt. Mrs. Ward, 72 Mason Ave, Babylon, Long Island. NY.
        Description: 5ft 4in, Brown hair, Brown eyes. Scars on neck.
Condition of Health: Good
     Read and Write: yes


1930 United States Federal Census...

               Name: Constance Ryder, aged 21
            Address: 58 Albany Ave
       Home in 1930: Amityville, Suffolk, New York
   Immigration Year: 1926
   Relation to Head: Wife
      Spouse's Name: Frank Ryder
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Others in household: 	

        Frank Ryder 21 Chauffeur, Trucks
        Frank Ryder 1
    Constance Ryder 0


1940 United States Federal Census...

                   Name: Constance Ryde, aged 31
                Address: 77 Broadway
           Home in 1940: Babylon, Suffolk, New York
      Residence in 1935: Same Place
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school,8th grade
   Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
    Others in household: 	

            Frank Ryde 35 Locomotive repairer, steam railroad
        Constance Ryde 10
           Harold Ryde 8
            David Ryde 1


United States Social Security Death Index...

           Name: Constance E Ryder
     Birth Date: 30 September 1908
Social Security: 071-28-8293
          State: New York
     Event Date: 8 May 1988
            Age: 80


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Ernest Harman Thorne 

IGI...
      Name: Ernest Harman Thorne 
      Born: 13 MAY 1868 
Christened: 02 AUG 1868 in St Leonard's Shoreditch, London England 
    Father: George Thorne
    Mother: Sarah Ann


Parish Baptism...

   Name: Ernest Harman Thorne 
   Date: 2 Aug 1868 
 Father: George Thorne - Railway Ticket Collector
 Mother: Sarah Ann Thorne 
 Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch  
Borough: Hackney  
 County: London  
  
  
BMD Index...

Births Jun 1868 - Thorne Ernest Hannan         Camberwell  1d  605

Deaths Mar 1881 - Thorne Ernest Halmon  12yrs  Camberwell  1d  478   
 

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Charles Thomas Thorne

BMD Index...

   Births Sep 1870 - Thorne  Charles Thomas E    Camberwell  1d  595

Marriages Dec 1893 - Thorne  Charles Thomas E   St. Saviour  1d  174    
                     Poole   Kate Ruby          St. Saviour  1d  174	   
   
   Deaths Sep 1911 - Thorne  Charles T E  42yrs  Camberwell  1d  897 


Birth Certificate...

      Name: Charles Thomas Edgar Thorne.
      Born: 17th June 1870, at 10 Belham street.
 Residence: 10 Belham Street, Camberwell, Surrey.
    Father: George Thorne, a Railway ticket collector.
    Mother: Sarah Ann (Formerly Parker)
 
 
Parish Baptism...

   Name: Charles Thomas Edgar Thorne 
   Date: 14 Aug 1870 
 Father: George Frank Thorne - Railway Ticket Collector
 Mother: Sarah Ann Thorne 
  Abode: Belham Street
 Parish: Saint Giles, Camberwell  
Borough: Southwark  
 County: Surrey 
 
     
Marriage Certificate...

      Date: 25th Dec 1893, Registered St Saviour London.
      Name: Charles Thorne, aged 23 - Labourer.
    Father: George F Thorne (deceased) - Railway ticket inspector.
   Address: 30 Gravel Lane.

      Name: Kate R. Poole, aged 23.
    Father: Edward Poole - Moulder
   Address: 36 Gravel Lane.
   Witness: Edith Jane Thorne & Rosina Miller.

    
NOTE: See also separate Records for Charles.


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Edith Jane Thorne

Parish Baptism...

   Name: Edith Jane Thorne 
   Date: 10 Nov 1872 
 Father: George Frank Thorne - Railway Ticket Collector
 Mother: Sarah Ann Thorne 
  Abode: Belham Street
 Parish: Saint Giles, Camberwell  
Borough: Southwark  
 County: Surrey 
 

BMD Index...

   Births Sep 1872 - Thorne  Edith Jane       Camberwell   1d   664

Marriages Dec 1894 - Thorne  Edith Jane       Camberwell   1d  1323     
                     Ward Christopher Reuben  Camberwell   1d  1323


Marriage Certificate...

25 Dec 1894, Saint Giles, Camberwell, Surrey, Southwark  

Edith Jane Thorne (aged 23) & Christopher Renben Ward (aged 26, Printer) 

Bride's father: George Frank Thorne, deceased, Railway Inspector
Groom's father: Henry Ward, Gunmaker
  Address both: 10 Belham Street
     Witnesses: William Ray & Rosina Maltilda ???
 
           
1901 Census...

Christopher R Ward  Head  33  London, Southwark  Print machine __
      Edith J Ward  Wife  28  London, Camberwell
     Cissie E Ward  Dau   1   London, Southwark
     
77 Pocock Street, Southwark, West Southwark. RG13/367/44/24  schedule 187

NOTE: Pocock St runs between Gt.Suffolk St & Blackfriars Rd. 


Deaths Dec 1910 Ward  Christopher R  43  Southwark  1d 72


1911 Census...

Edith Ward  Wife  Widow  F  38  1873  Housekeeper  Private  Camberwell  London 
4 Children born and 1 still living. 16 yrs married.

Address: 21 Boyson Road S E, London

RG14  Piece:1830  Reg District:Southwark  Sub District:Newington South 	
Enumeration District:12  Parish:St Mary Newington
  	

Passenger List - Saxonia

Edith Jane Ward (widow), Cook, b.1872 London England. 
Address of relative: Mrs.Gorick(sister), 44 Elliots Row Southwark.
  Port of Departure: London.
    Port of Arrival: New York, 2nd Dec 1920.

NOTE: Edith left England for New York to join her only living child, her 
      daughter, Cissey and her husband Henry Jones. Cissey had left from 
      London to New York back in October 1920.


New York State Census 1925...

           Name  Age Occupation Yrs in US
  Harry E Jones  32  Chauffeur  04
Cecella E Jones  25  Housework  04 
 Le Roy C Jones  03
  Floyd E Jones  0
     Edith Ward  51  Housework  04

72 Mason Ave, Babylon, Suffolk
Assembly District: 02  Line Number: 40  Page Number: 7

NOTE: 1930 & 1940 Federal Census, Cissey & her family are still in New York, 
      but no Edith. Henry is an Inspector then Superintendent of State Park. 
      Litchfield Ave in 1930. North Road in 1940.



Edith and Christopher's children:

Baptism: 25 Jan 1898
   Name: Venie Ward
 Father: Christoper Ward (Printer)
 Mother: Edith Jane Ward
Address: 199 High St, Boro.
 Parish: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark

Deaths Sep 1898 - Ward  Venie  0   St.Saviour  1d  23

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Births Sep 1899 - Ward  Cissie Ellalaine   St.Saviour  1d  44    

Baptism: 25 Jul 1899
   Name: Cissy Ellaline Ward
 Father: Christoper Ward (Machine minder)
 Mother: Edith Jane Ward
Address: 77 Pocock St.
 Parish: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark

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Births Mar 1904 - Ward  Mabel   Camberwell   1d  893

Baptism: 25 Nov 1905
   Name: Mabel Ward
 Father: Christoper Ward (Printer)
 Mother: Edith Ward
Address: 98 Waterloo Sq.
 Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel
Borough: Southwark

Deaths Dec 1905 - Ward  Mabel  1   Camberwell   1d  527